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Another one of my conservative controversial articles has been forced off Newsvine by malicious users. This has been reported to Newsvine.

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{"commentId":526667,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

The article "Bathed Barack Obama will Run -and- Is Michelle Obama Racially Biased and Articulate?" has been posted on my blog, as are my other posts, for anyone who cares to read it. Hopefully it can't be censored there.

Please report this abuse to Newsvine; disagreeable and controversial topics should not be excluded from debates on Newsvine. Please contact the staff at Newsvine and let them know that you want my articles put back up. Thank you.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:59 PM EST
{"commentId":526688,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

I don't know how long this will last - but here's a Screenshot of the article with comments

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  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:11 PM EST
{"commentId":528332,"authorDomain":"pwtenny"}

You know I disagree with things getting taken down is almost every single case, and I haven't reported anything you've written ever. But this is just pointless. If you reported it, fine. I don't see the point in wasting valuable article space with flotsam like this.

You had an avenue open to you (an open line to the staff), and you used it. Great. This is unnecessary. I sympathize, but this isn't a web forum.

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  • 22 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:52 AM EST
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{"commentId":526823,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

I would suggest to Newsvine that they develop a method to automatically censor any user who requests censor of another until such time as the promised human element has had time to confirm such censorship was proper.

I would prefer not to read all the drivel that comes across my screen but I would prefer the ability to do so if I want.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:04 PM EST
{"commentId":526881,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

Thank you. I agree.

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  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:24 PM EST
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{"commentId":526930,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Go, I felt the article was racist, but I didn't report it. Judging from the comments, many others thought so too. Perhaps if you had come back to defend your position the article would still be up.

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  • 22 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:51 PM EST
{"commentId":527019,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

Well that makes a lot of sense. The article was not racist, it was an attempt to make a point that people should not base their decisions on race. Michelle Obama has no more reason than Laura Bush does to fear for her husband's life, probably even less so.

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  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:24 PM EST
{"commentId":527042,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

It was all the "clean, freshly bathed black man" stuff that was racist, Go, not the statements about Mrs. Obama being concerned for her husband's safety. As for that, you're half right. Mrs. Obama does have no more reason to be fearful than Laura Bush - she also has no less reason.

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  • 19 votes
#3.2 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:34 PM EST
{"commentId":527070,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

I have been told that many Newsviners are not as well informed as I previously assumed, and may not have been aware of the fact that Joe Biden, another Democrat running for President, is the one who started the whole 'articulate and clean' controversy about Obama. This was purely a play on words. It was pointed out that I should have noted that in the article. Well, at least we agree on something, as for the rest, apparently it is lack of information that is causing all the ruckus.

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  • 9 votes
#3.3 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:42 PM EST
{"commentId":527198,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}

I didn't read it - it's politics - but I am reading this because it isn't. I assume she referred to "bathed" because Joe Biden had the gall to call the man "clean."

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  • 9 votes
#3.4 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:39 PM EST
{"commentId":527713,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
I assume she referred to "bathed" because Joe Biden had the gall to call the man "clean."

Yeah, I'm sure she did. But it's a bit of a jump to go from "articulate and clean" to "freshly bathed black man," especially with no explanation anywhere in the article.

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  • 13 votes
#3.5 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:47 PM EST
{"commentId":527790,"authorDomain":"insight"}
Guido SohneDeleted
{"commentId":527899,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
Yeah, I'm sure she did. But it's a bit of a jump to go from "articulate and clean" to "freshly bathed black man," especially with no explanation anywhere in the article.

DM, most of us are not surrounded by nubile women in foreign lands ( well, not this week anyway ) so we got the Biden reference right away. You may have missed the drama then because of, you know, the women and the coffee.

At some point people have to reset and let go of the past - it may be that because of past articles or disagreements they are pulling the trigger on this kid a little too quickly. I try to ( and you do also ) take each article one at a time. I get people who consistently say pretty dumb, inflammatory things but I try to act like it's the first time and be patient.

Otherwise it's driving people away and we'll be left with one side of all arguments.

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  • 9 votes
#3.7 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:12 PM EST
{"commentId":527933,"authorDomain":"insight"}
Guido SohneDeleted
{"commentId":528678,"authorDomain":"Ardith"}
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{"commentId":527058,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

If anyone is able - turn on the Sean Hannity radio show - he's bringing up the same point I brought up about Michelle Obama, a point that caused my article to be censored. That just tells me that I'm right on target.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:40 PM EST
{"commentId":527086,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

Or that you and Sean Hannity just agree on this issue. It doesn't not, in any way, confirm you were "Right"

Quite frankly I think your opinion about Michelle is pretty short-sighted and oblivious to the racially divisive country we live in. If you don't think Obama has the greatest chance of assassination of any of the current candidates then you are, quite frankly, naieve.

People rarely kill others simply because of their political affiliation (Democrat -vs- Republican), but sadly, plenty of people have died simply for being not-white. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean some dumb ignorant piece of crap wouldn't. While we have come along way since the 60's we haven't gone all that far in reality.

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  • 11 votes
#4.1 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:48 PM EST
{"commentId":527106,"authorDomain":"DailyNewsRush"}

Are you, like Michelle, basing that on a different set of circumstances, or on emotion; or do you have facts to back that up? Because that's what I'm trying to say, there is no factual evidence to support the idea that a black President has a greater chance of being assassinated than a white President. There are black men and women in various political positions in the US and around the world, but there is no evidence to support Michelle's statement.

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  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:58 PM EST
{"commentId":527870,"authorDomain":"insight"}
Guido SohneDeleted
{"commentId":528312,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

It's your responsibility as a good reporter to cite your sources.

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  • 6 votes
#4.4 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:10 AM EST
{"commentId":528326,"authorDomain":"insight"}
Guido SohneDeleted
{"commentId":528337,"authorDomain":"pwtenny"}
If anyone is able - turn on the Sean Hannity radio show - he's bringing up the same point I brought up about Michelle Obama, a point that caused my article to be censored. That just tells me that I'm right on target.

If only Faux News Channel had a ! button on it....

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  • 7 votes
#4.6 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:57 AM EST
{"commentId":528685,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

Not you, Guido--GoReporter. If she doesn't put the quotes in context and people misread them as her own and--rightly!--as racist, it's her own damn fault. That's just--ahem--"good reporting."

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  • 10 votes
#4.7 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:46 AM EST
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{"commentId":527496,"authorDomain":"Raymont"}
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{"commentId":527883,"authorDomain":"adambecker"}

I think it's interesting how you equate "censorship" and "I'm voting to have your crap removed because I don't like reading utter crap."

Disagree that it was crap, if you think that's a valid stance, but censorship is not the word that applies to a private Internet forum.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:06 PM EST
{"commentId":528302,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

Personally i think that if you disagree with her "crap" you should eloquently rebut her and not quietly vote her down. I am still not sure if what you did wasnt a violation in it's own. as i see nothing that you could vote that would be correct. So you submitted something that was incorect to the staff.
Personally i ask the staff not to censor anything that doesnt violate the rules and to make it clear that mis reporting things wont be allowed. It would be much better if they simply label things contravercial, so that we get to decide to read or not. You can ignore GoReporter, but i dont like you making that choice for me. People will spend hours looking up material to rebutt her latest article and it shouldnt be up to you to remove their work. Sure this place IS private and Moderated, but that is too keep it from turning into a digg where people freely attack each other and offer no content of any value.

Please dont remove my choice to read or my hard work.

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  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:55 AM EST
{"commentId":528306,"authorDomain":"adambecker"}

Some things:

1) I did not vote to remove the original article. I did not read it, and have no desire to after reading the author's misguided whining in this one. Way to assume things, though.

2) Articles being removed is not a common occurrance, as far as I know. There must have been something particularly absurd about this one to cause enough people (by Newsvine's standards) to vote for its removal.

3) If I really cared, I would vote this one as "inaccurate," because:

4) Censor *still* has nothing to do with what GoReporter says happened here, regardless of how many times you or she use the word. I won't report it, though, because:

5) Damn this whining is annoying.

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  • 7 votes
#6.2 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:00 AM EST
{"commentId":528318,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

The beauty of newvine is that we dont have just be feed the abusrd, we can respond to it and challenge it, label it as excrement . I think it is better to destroy the the offensive in the public forum than to hide it and pretend it doesnt exist.

There maybe a need for an offensive tag, and let those that can be offended by word to block it out. But i would rather have a man come on here supporting namble and have the ability to totally go off on him in comments than to have it hidden from me that people have that absurd extreme view.

I am more offended by the removal of offensive material than the material itself.
I live in a town where a man gave up millions of dollars so that he could pass out a newspaper saying slavery was a great thing. I will never read his crap as i cant respond to it, but i will fight anyone who trys to deny him the right to his point of view. I will fight racism but not him.

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  • 7 votes
#6.3 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:25 AM EST
{"commentId":528324,"authorDomain":"adambecker"}
I am more offended by the removal of offensive material than the material itself.
I live in a town where a man gave up millions of dollars so that he could pass out a newspaper saying slavery was a great thing. I will never read his crap as i cant respond to it, but i will fight anyone who trys to deny him the right to his point of view. I will fight racism but not him.

The author of this column still has every right to spew whatever she wants. She has indicated in this column that she has blog where she posted the column. Nobody is taking away her right to be racist, or whatever the problem is. The users of this *private community* have spoken, however, and told her that her crap wasn't welcome here. Much like I assume your reaction would be if the racist newspaper man walked into your living room.

Her response was, rather than except the fact that she had been rejected, to instead question the integrity of the people who said they didn't want to read her crap. You want to read her mumblings? Great, visit her blog.

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  • 6 votes
#6.4 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:33 AM EST
{"commentId":528331,"authorDomain":"insight"}
Guido SohneDeleted
{"commentId":528431,"authorDomain":"adambecker"}
You've missed the point. When the community votes it down, you lose the right to decide whether you want to read it or not.

You know, I could swear I'd addressed this already. I just can't find the right words, how did it go? Hmmm, it's on the tip of my tongue ... oh yeah! I said:

You want to read her mumblings? Great, visit her blog.

I can't believe we're still talking about this. This. is. a. private. Internet. forum.

Her content was rejected. You don't like it? Well ... I'm sorry? Now that you know something a significant number of people are offended by won't be allowed here, are you not going to be returning?

And if having content deemed to be racist deleted means you can't read it, than you must also not be able to read content not posted here by people who have no idea Newsvine exists. This Web site is not a blog. It is not a coffee shop. It's not here to make random small talk, not in the medium of an article anyway.

One last reason this annoys me, then I'm done with this conversation. I'm sorry I'm repeating myself so much, so instead I'll repeat Paul William Tenny from the first comment thread:

But this is just pointless. If you reported it, fine. I don't see the point in wasting valuable article space with flotsam like this.
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  • 4 votes
#6.6 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:59 AM EST
{"commentId":528920,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

actually this seems like a pretty public internet forum. Private, to me, infrers an invite only type of thing. Anyone can sign up here, anyone can post articles (even really really offensive ones) if they want.

If they aren't unlawful then what You should do, since you don't want to read her crap, is choose to "IGNORE THIS AUTHOR" that lets you keep your choice to NOT read her crap unless you go to her blog, and lets others who may be in the mood for a good (or bad) comment war get it on.

See that way you get what you want ( you don't have to read her crap) and others get what they want - instead of a few limiting what others read within a forum we all have a stake in - we each get to read what we want.

no matter how many times you say it is a private forum, and no matter how many times you say go to her blog, it doesn't change the fact that you are flat out wrong in saying she shouldn't be able to post her tripe here. Some people, for some reason, like reading her tripe. Oddly, you do to or else you wouldn't keep going to her articles and commenting. You wouldn't bother to "report her" instead, like a rational person, you would just ignore her.

Go figure. Everyone can be happy if you would just take care of your self instead of trying to police the site and protect us all for GoReporter.

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  • 4 votes
#6.7 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:32 AM EST
{"commentId":528963,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

you keep saying private as if this place is yours and not ours.
I still want to know what you clicked to vote to have it removed
You still havent responded to that. Did you misuse the system by misreporting this article?

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  • 3 votes
#6.8 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:48 AM EST
{"commentId":528979,"authorDomain":"vas"}

If this were a "private internet forum", I wouldn't be here.

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  • 4 votes
#6.9 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:56 AM EST
{"commentId":529100,"authorDomain":"adambecker"}

It's private because the people that run this site can decide if they don't want you here. Ask Koozebane.

If it were public, you and I would have a say in policy. As it is, we really don't. If you don't like it, either e-mail Newsvine or don't come here. But all this whining and the false claims of censorship are ridiculous.

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  • 2 votes
#6.10 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:43 PM EST
{"commentId":529161,"authorDomain":"vas"}

I knew what you meant.

Your "false claims of censorship" characterization seems inaccurate to me. The Newsvine crew restored the article, meaning that it did not violate policy. But if Newsvine readers are using the reporting mechanism with the intent of shutting down voices they don't like, that is censorship. It's not whining at all. The misuse of the report button is.

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  • 5 votes
#6.11 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:06 PM EST
{"commentId":530506,"authorDomain":"insight"}
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{"commentId":528307,"authorDomain":"bluemutiny"}

I'm getting sick of this censorship bull@!$%# now.

If you're going to write offensive and racist content (etcetc), then expect it to get removed.

End.

Shut up.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:03 AM EST
{"commentId":528333,"authorDomain":"insight"}
Guido SohneDeleted
{"commentId":528976,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

funny the muslim and jewish hate never gets deleted off the vine, no matter how offensive some of us thinks it is.
I think circumcisiion is offensive.
tell you what can you please exactly define the word offensive for me, so i know when to reconise that something my offend you?

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  • 10 votes
#7.2 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:54 AM EST
{"commentId":529235,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

Well put Joules. I can't believe I'm agreeing with you :)

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  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:34 PM EST
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{"commentId":528424,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}

I didn't see the original article for obvious reasons but if it's exactly the same as the one posted on Goreporter's site I personally did not detect racism in her statements and I would say that judging just from the Titles of her articles that I have seen this was milder than her usual fare.

On the other hand, to say that the article was taken down for being "conservative" seems patently ridiculous since it was your opinion as a person and had nothing to do with ideology.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:45 AM EST
{"commentId":528459,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

Now I know what it is like to get painted by a broad brush. Adam Becker, Robbie Lawrence and others say the community censored GoReporter. Not true. In an open up or down vote by the community I don't believe the censorship would have taken place. But then maybe I don't speak plainly enough. Maybe some need to be told what I mean is is. Maybe I am not considered part of the community by some and for that I apologize. Maybe I should try harder.

To me, it is like the Brown Shirts, coming in the night to take my neighbor away. A few people can click a little symbol and my work and that of others just disappears. Why do they have to hide. I have heard a few admit to punching the button. I applaud their honesty but I abhor their logic.

I see racism exhibited on a daily basis on Newsvine. I see genocide supported on a daily basis on Newsvine. I see vulgar language, stupid rhetoric, crazy ideas and people trying to smear scatology across the pages of Newsvine on a daily basis. Should all of this be removed? No! BUT, it should be drowned out by a crescendo of cries for better writing, for more logical thinking, for reconsideration of outrageous views.

Damn, there, I have done it! Shot the seed of another good article on a comment.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:28 AM EST
{"commentId":528995,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

I saw an article earlier about a man ejaculating on an old ladies clothing.
another on the same day about a cop using his ejaculation as a warning ticket.
If that isnt offensive I am not sure what is.

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  • 6 votes
#9.1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:09 PM EST
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{"commentId":529165,"authorDomain":"alioto"}

I read the article in question on Goreporter's blog and I do not think it needed to be censored. (As I write this, I have no idea how an article gets censored on Newsvine. And as long as I remain ignorant on that subject, I prefer to believe that articles get stolen by Leprechauns. Incidentally, even further, I hope the Irish are not offended by my fallacy.)

I did not find the article in question particularly challenging. As a result there was no understanding for me to gain from it. (Alas, my poor, starving intellect!) It was merely an opinion piece - as advertised, perhaps - in which Goreporter shared her thoughts on Obama's Presidential bid announcement, and the current Obama fanfare in general, one supposes.

The allusion to Biden's announcement in the title, in the term "Bathed," is a malicious pun. It seems she intends to comment on the reaction to Biden's remarks, when Biden said in the announcement for his Presidential bid that Obama was:

"[...] the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

But the pun is thinly veiled whereupon Goreporter states explicity, although tepidly, that "probably [...] Joe Biden was right:"

The mainstream news media is calling this an historic moment, but is it really? Other black individuals have run for President - Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson - to name two. So why is this an historic moment? Probably because Joe Biden was right. Barack Obama is the first clean, articulate, black man to make a serious run for the Presidency. Those are the facts. If there have been others, they have not resonated with the American people; so they simply do not exist in a political sense."

Notwithstanding the questionable afterthought that facts have a political existence based upon popular opinion, what Goreporter accomplishes in the latter statement is to reclaim Biden's remarks as offensive to Blacks and to accentuate that offense by using the term "bathed" instead of Biden's "clean." It is noteworthy here that Jesse Jackson, Jr. took little offense publicly to Biden's remarks. Nonetheless, in the statement above, Goreporter implies that he is unclean.

Therefore those that find this article to be racially motivated have plenty of lexical ammunition to choose from in order to make their case, including but not limited to Goreporter's misfired pun (is it Go Reporter, or Gore Reporter?).

That said, and more importantly, Goreporter's misfired pun and superfluous semantics do not amount to a successful bid for censorship. Those who want to understand censorship, including Goreporter, should start with John Milton's "Areopagitica" (and not likely finish it any time soon). It suffices to say that if Mr. Milton were alive today he might suggest to us here that a good person can yet gain understanding from bad reporting, even if he or she needs to write about it, quote it, think about it first.

But how can one engage a text that is gone missing? This question makes for a nice pathos ending, but of course the answer is: the Internet. The article in question is posted on Goreporter's blog at www.goreporter.com. You can read it there. As a result, Goreporter's article has not in fact been censored. It has merely been chased out of town by Lilliputians.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:08 PM EST
{"commentId":529185,"authorDomain":"vas"}

An intelligent new voice has joined our community! Welcome!

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  • 4 votes
#10.1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:15 PM EST
{"commentId":529238,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}
And as long as I remain ignorant on that subject, I prefer to believe that articles get stolen by Leprechauns. Incidentally, even further, I hope the Irish are not offended by my fallacy.)

Being Irish, I've marked this comment as inflammatory.

:)

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  • 3 votes
#10.2 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:36 PM EST
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